id Software's Rage limited by Xbox 360 storage capacity
- Posted September 17th, 2008 at 08:55 EDT by
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id Software lead designer Tim Willits has admitted that upcoming post-apocalyptic shooter Rage is too big for the Xbox 360-supported DVD format. Seems Sony's investment in Blu-ray - which offers over three times the storage space - wasn't the unwarranted expense many commentators billed it as.
"The PC is limitless in the amount of data you can put on it," Willits told 1UP at the Austin Game Developers Conference. "The PlayStation 3 has about 25GB. But the Xbox 360 roughly has 6 to 8 GB of data. We're hoping we can squeeze the game down to two discs for the 360 version."
Sadly, this means that the PlayStation 3 and PC versions will have to be altered to maintain parity, but Willits later released a statement insisting that no actual content had been removed from any version of the game.
"During my talk today I mentioned that we originally wanted to have around 5 or 6 smaller wasteland environments but later decided instead to have 2 larger wastelands," he explained. "Mostly because we were going to be shipping on two DVDs for the 360 and felt that it would play better with one large wasteland on each disc so there would be no loading between wastelands."
"There was NO CONTENT removed from RAGE because of the 360, " Willits wrote. "NONE AT ALL. Moving from multiple wastelands into fewer but larger wastelands was a far better decision and is actually giving us more gameplay in the game. We feel the 360 is a great platform and will provide a fantastic Rage experience."
The Xbox 360's "Rage experience" will, however, look marginally less fantastic than that provided by PS3, as reported in August by id's veteran programmer John Carmack. Here's hoping Microsoft's rickety old box doesn't force further compromises.
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SpyroViper
- 9:14am BST - September 17th, 2008
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Carmack better do a good job of coding. He seems to be the new Gabe Newell when it comes to PS3 love..
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Zippie151 |
Sanguineous- 9:15am BST - September 17th, 2008
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25gb!? what happened to the 50gb blu-ray? Has it just vanished? Anyways this is hopefully the way it will be goin from now on with 360 suffering, although that does mean there'll be yet another console to get rather soon i fear lol. good to know the devs arent gonna comprise the PS version (or so they say).
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KillerInst2129
- 9:22am BST - September 17th, 2008
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Ya see thats why the PS3 is better, but games developers (not owned by Sony) cant seem to see it that way, i mean the 360 hampers the growth of PS3 by its use of dual layer DVD's or 6 to 8 gigs of data as aposed to Blu-ray with its 25 gigs.
Take a look at games from over the years, from Floppy disk, does anybody remember "Beneath a steel sky" on the Amiga, it took 15 floppy disks, but soon came out on CD ROM, about 600 MB disks (at the time) but they managed it sure a lot of disk swapping, then you have games like Metal gear solid on PS1 and GTA on PS1, yep they were impressive at the time, using all the disk, but that cos the games developers took advantage of the space, now you have Dual layer dvds used in the box and PS2, sure San andreas for the PS2 was impressive, but that because the developers knew how to use the space on the disk, now lets look at rockstar and GTA IV, we all know it came on the PS3 and the 360, i truly believe that rockstar know what they are doing, but they had to tone down stuff so that the game would fit onto a 360 dual layer dvd and just put the rest onto the blu-ray, what if rockstar has said ****-it and said lets beef up the PS3 version i mean were playing with 25 gigs here, but you see id-software here are saying that yes they might bring out this game on 2 disks for the box and 1 for the PS3, but they still toning down stuff to fit, whay cant they make the PS3 version with all its glory and tone down the 360 version.
I just dont understand games developers that have priority over the box, sure it should be equal, if they **** us games players off by favoring one console over another then that dev is not gonna make its profits 50/50, at the end of the day, the shop where i work aks us to be polite to our customers and be helpful and friendly, i always wondered what they meant by that, now i understand.
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The_Sorrow_Gamer |
The_Sorrow_Gamer- 9:22am BST - September 17th, 2008
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LOL c people look at this n b disappointed sham on the crap box 3fix me
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hesmanes |
hesmanes- 9:37am BST - September 17th, 2008
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I'm sorry, Why should we (PS3 users) have to suffer at the hands of a system that can't keep up with technology?
@ 6 i don't remember that game but i rememeber a game on my Commodore 64 it was Rambo and i had to load it using 2 tapes.........................on each side!!!!!!
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appleMan
- 9:38am BST - September 17th, 2008
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Great. Now M$ pays developers to shut up and gimp the game for everyone. Probably slapped an NDA on Id to stop any further 'truths' from leaking out on the crap box 360 (xbox 2). A sad day for gamers. Piss off M$. Havn't you messed up the PC industry enough? Got to punish gamers now I see.
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graphixmaster |
mcx- 9:49am BST - September 17th, 2008
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Thats so halarious .. stop gimping our PS3 version ... do what they gonna do with FF
www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2008/07/ff13_boxart_360.jpg
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Staticneuron |
Staticneuron- 9:59am BST - September 17th, 2008
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"During my talk today I mentioned that we originally wanted to have around 5 or 6 smaller wasteland environments but later decided instead to have 2 larger wastelands," he explained. "Mostly because we were going to be shipping on two DVDs for the 360 and felt that it would play better with one large wasteland on each disc so there would be no loading between wastelands."
"There was NO CONTENT removed from RAGE because of the 360, " Willits wrote. "NONE AT ALL. Moving from multiple wastelands into fewer but larger wastelands was a far better decision and is actually giving us more gameplay in the game. We feel the 360 is a great platform and will provide a fantastic Rage experience."HAHAHAHA. This is just like the arguement with PGR4. Devs design AROUND restrictions. So we will never know how many games actually would have been originally designed as a larger title. So now we get two wastelands and probably would have had more variety in 5 or 6 wastelands. In s conference even Carmack brought up the point and apparently they are trying not to go over 3 dvd's because of licensing costs.
It's plain and simple Sony made the right decision this year.
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bracomadar |
bracomadar- 10:15am BST - September 17th, 2008
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This guy sure nows how to talk BS, even when everyone knows he's lying through his teeth...he should run for president ;)
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bilbo_bobbins |
bilbo_bobbins- 10:23am BST - September 17th, 2008
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this is just lazy programming... they don't have the intelligence to fulfil the potential of the PS3 or they have been bunged a brown envelope by Microsoft.
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Ryoma
- 10:31am BST - September 17th, 2008
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wow so much fanboys who dont no what there talking about, u think that a game needs to fill out the whole disc to be good, thats not what makes a game great and even though this guy said that the 360 will not loose content if you read the fool arcticle which is not displayed on this site he said that the 360 will have blury areas in places you wouldn't actually go in the game so that they can decrease the size. this guy does not favour any console but he dislikes what Ms did with the royalty fees on the 3rd disc of any game.
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Paranoimia |
Paranoimia- 10:33am BST - September 17th, 2008
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"id Software lead designer Tim Willits has admitted that upcoming post-apocalyptic shooter Rage is too big for the Xbox 360-supported HD-DVD format."
The 360 does not use HD-DVD for games - it uses standard DVD.
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Staticneuron |
Staticneuron- 10:51am BST - September 17th, 2008
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@Ryoma
Thats "After" the fact. Blurry areas are about after their work was decided upon. This article goes to show that design changes cam about because of comprimise. This the same exact situation with that PGR4 scandal. Of course nothing was taken out because they had the foresight not to include/create the content.
And you make a silly arguement with the "filling" a disc line. I prefer that devs deliver the vision that they INTENDED. Thats what would be good. I have seen the BTS of many games that would have been mindblowing if the dev's were not strapped for space. So no, people don't just assume that filling a disc makes a game good. People understand that when Devs are forced to alter thier hands, thier original concept might take a turn for the worse.
@ zakruz
What's false? Did you even read the post? Take a look at the second paragraph from the bottom. This is not about anything being taken out but they were limited so they changed their plans. Limited does not mean to take out, it just means to be constrained.
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TekkenLord |
HitMan00- 11:34am BST - September 17th, 2008
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2 disc game lol, i have a feeling not much 360 owners going to purchase this game because of the 2 disc. they should just for get about the 360 and just make it for ps3 and pc. Those two systems you won't have to squeeze the game down.
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deniled
- 1:05pm BST - September 17th, 2008
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ID Software I hope you use the size correctly for console versions over PC, would love to play on the big screen. Im also glad they didnt say anything about holding up development on one console just because of another ones issues. I will have to keep an eye on this game. I love the look of it
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Denali2 |
NEJI64- 1:10pm BST - September 17th, 2008
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@tekkenlord i agree with you there if it was me i wouldnt alter my porject because it would take up to three or more dvd's on 360. then if M$ wanna charge for ever dvd that it take to put data on there dvd then i wouldve scarp the whole project for 360.
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Shin-Karazu |
shinkarazu- 1:33pm BST - September 17th, 2008
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So, why do we have a upper class powerfull machine? So that this could happen every d@mn time a good idea (like Rage) gets downgraded because of the lack of engine the Xbox has.
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dwightkshrute |
IAMTHECAVALRY- 1:42pm BST - September 17th, 2008
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see, this is one of the first games to be gimped by the 360, FarCry 2 is also supposed to look better on the PS3 than 360. so whats 2, this is the tipping point, multiplatform games are gonna either be gimped or be worse on 360. Served
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dirigiblebill
- 2:55pm BST - September 17th, 2008
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"id Software lead designer Tim Willits has admitted that upcoming post-apocalyptic shooter Rage is too big for the Xbox 360-supported HD-DVD format."
The 360 does not use HD-DVD for games - it uses standard DVD.
You're quite correct - typo on my part. I've notified the editor and the article will be altered shortly. -
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tristan88888888 |
Tristan88888888- 3:28pm BST - September 17th, 2008
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Microsoft's rickety old box . lol
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Acid-Hippie2007 |
Acid-Hippie2007- 3:34pm BST - September 17th, 2008
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Gotta love John that "Gaming Legend" that he is :)
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gameoholic |
Demented007- 8:11pm BST - September 17th, 2008
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It looks like the lack of disk space is starting to bite MS in the a**. I agree with gingo, they should of formated the HD DVD drive into the crapbox, that way they would of still had at least 30 gigs to play with. Well, shows what ignorance will get ya. PSN ID- Demented007
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BlueDragoon0 |
Lionheart0- 11:54pm BST - September 17th, 2008
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Next up, Final Fantasy 13! Don't blame Xbox 360, blame Microsoft for going with the out dated DVD format.
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Shadoom |
Shadoom- 12:45am BST - September 18th, 2008
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We should be thankful that Microsoft didn't put an HDDVD drive into the Xbox 360. If they had we would likely still have a format war or HDDVD would have won because of a cheaper price and because HDDVD would have been more accessible to more people. Their are more 360 owners than PS3 owners so you do the math. Blu-ray won the format war because Sony was the only console company to include it in the PlayStation 3.
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ProfSebastian
- 6:50am BST - September 18th, 2008
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http://www.shacknews.com/featuredarticle.x?id=1001
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