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PS5 May Play PS4 Games; Sony Updates Patent

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PS5 backwards compatibility is looking a little more likely after a US patent was updated by Sony Interactive Entertainment America. Updated on February 13, it clearly states: “Backward compatibility testing of software in a mode that disrupts timing.”

This isn't confirmation that the PS5 will be able to play PS4 games, but it could be an indication that Sony is conducting some kind of backwards compatibility testing.

Will the PS5 Play PS4 Games?

It looks like the patent was originally filed in 2015, a couple of years after the launch of PS4, which currently doesn't allow players to play older games unless they're using the PlayStation Now streaming service.

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We're not entirely convinced that Sony will be press forward with backwards compatibility on PS5. SIEE's Jim Ryan made it clear that the company had no plans to change its stance on the feature back in 2017.

Though he admits, it's a much-requested feature from fans, he believes that it's a feature that wouldn't actually be used that much. Speaking to Time magazine, Ryan said:

When we've dabbled with backwards compatibility, I can say it is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used much,” Ryan told Time. “That, and I was at a Gran Turismo event recently where they had PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 games, and the PS1 and the PS2 games, they looked ancient, like why would anybody play this?

With the PS5 release date expected to be sometime in the next couple of years, there's rumors that Sony may be planning to reveal its next-generation console at E3 2018.

Until the big reveal, we'll just have to wait to see whether our shiny new PS5 can play PS4 games! In a recent PS5 survey, a company working on gathering market data for Sony, asked consumers what they’re hopes were for the specifications and overall look of the PS5.

Do you want to be able to play PS4 games on PS5 without having to stream them? Let us know in the comments below.

Source: Free Patents Online. Tip-off – Thanks to Tidux.

  • Pepan

    Definitely! There si so much content on PS4, that I want to play it also on PS5. Also, I have lot of VR games fro PSVR equipment. I cant imagine PSVR generation 1 will end with PS4.

    • Playstation Novus

      Enjoying PSVR1 Pleb tester hahaha PSVR2 going to be announced so the Device you are using is outdated hahahaha

      • Pepan

        I tested VR platforms from 90s and believe me, current gen isnt about testing anymore 🙂

        So enjoy your laugh 🙂

      • YOUDIEMOFO

        So with your stand point you should never buy/invest in anything because something newer is going to come and replace it….

        Have fun never having fun with that mentality….. WOW….

  • Magdem

    Don’t want to get my hopes up too early, but at least Sony’s got a head start with the pro.

  • Limit Break

    That is pretty much what we are doing right now – constantly playing the same things from previous gens. Start making new games.

    • J.j. Barrington

      I dunno about you, but I haven’t played any games from last gen. And the only one I played from the gen before is one I gave away before I was done.

      • Tokumei Yamada

        It’s so weird being on the other side of this. I’m usually the one defending Sony’s actions. It’s just that their BS about BC is indefensible.

        • J.j. Barrington

          Right. And I bet you were making this noise at the console’s launch, weren’t you?

          Oh, you weren’t? That’s weird, as it’s the exact same situation now as back then. Nothing’s changed with Sony’s actions in that time, so what’s changed that has made you suddenly upset about it?

          • Tokumei Yamada

            What happened to my last post?

            I actually WAS making this noise at the console’s launch. I was not happy about lack of BC on PS4, and the lack of PS1 BC that persists to this day despite PS1 emulation being far easier than PS2 (which is available, at least via rebuying games), is inexcusable.

            I’ve loved a lot about the PS4. I love the share button and streaming to youtube. I love the menu system that’s much faster than PS3. I love the greatly improved remote play. I love the party system. Lack of BC is just the big black mark on the PS4’s record.

          • J.j. Barrington

            “big black mark” is both subjective AND overreacting.

  • Phil

    Part of me thinks that this should just be the way from now on. This would almost force companies to be more creative and stop re-releasing games as well. I don’t plan on getting rid of any old consoles anymore though

    • boblaaaam

      there could still be remasters of older games though even with backwards compatibility which is what you would want, like shadow of the colossus, the remastered playstation 4 version looks better than if the playstation 4 was backwards compatible with the playstation 3 and you were playing the playstation 3 version on the playstation 4, if it worked like the playstation 4 boost mode then the game could see enhancements just from the playstation 4 boosting it, fake backwards compatibility is when actual people have to work behind the scenes to get an older game running on newer hardware and then release it on the store which is what microscam does with the xjunk and xjunkx, you put in a disc that you have of an older game and you can download it from the microscam store or if you already had the game or you can buy the older game if you have never owned it, but work went on behind the scenes to get those older games running on newer hardware, that is not real backwards compatibility, that is an illusion that you are able to call backwards compatibility,

      i think backwards compatibility is useful and helpful, for example you buy a playstation 5 and have never played the uncharted games or the last of us and because the playstation 5 is backwards compatible with the playstation 4 you can purchase the last of us remastered or the uncharted collection for playstation 4 from the playstation store and play it on your playstation 5 without having to go out and purchase or repurchase a playstation 4

      i did not buy the playstation 4 to play playtation 3 games though, i did though with the last of us remastered, i bought the last of us remastered with the playstation 4 to continue playing factions the player versus player portion of the last of us, i have wondered why they called it factions, i like that though instead of multiplayer, maybe because multiplayer was to common or they wanted people to focus on the single player or both, though later on they added mp next to the last of us factions on the menu

  • Tokumei Yamada

    “But nobody uses”

    How do they know how many people used it on PS3? It’s not like it even reported PS2 game usage. I used BC all the time when I had my 60 gig. I think the “no one uses it” thing is just an excuse. It’s a pain in the ass or just plain impossible to have a whole slew of devices to play games from different generations.

    I hope they bring disc-based BC back on PS4 for PS1 and PS2 games someday. Downloadable PSP and Vita games would be wonderful, too.

    • J.j. Barrington

      Sony knows. And Sony said so. You’re free to not believe them, but that makes you LESS trustworthy, not more.

      • Paul Josephson

        No Sony just wants to charge for the privilege. Sony is in between a rock and a hard place with BC. They have service that have invested billions in with PSNow all what is essentially a pay to play BC now and it is a currently a loser. But, allowing for BC for PS4 and even PS3 directly on PS5 would kill that service 100%. That service is what is determining how Sony will handle PSNow.

        • J.j. Barrington

          “Sony doesn’t know.”

          Source? And thin air doesn’t count.

          “No, Sony just wants to charge for the privilege of playing BC.”

          Then why wait so long to introduce the feature, and why have it be so limited? That doesn’t make sense.

          “They have service that they have invested billions in with PSNow. A service what is essentially a pay to play BC and it is a currently a loser in the current gaming climate.”

          Also weird that it would be available on PS3, since that wouldn’t at all count as BC. Kinda shoots a big old hole in your theory, doesn’t it?

          “PSNow has not lived up to it’s original expectations.”

          According to… you?

          “However, to allow BC for PS4 and even PS3 directly on PS5 would kill their streaming service and that is 100% certain.”

          No, it wouldn’t. After all, it’s a rental service.

          “It makes no sense in it’s limited support and if they expanded it back to other devices it would lead back to that conundrum.”

          You have no clue what you’re talking about, do you?

          “Yet, Sony has no problem charging you with PSNow to play those PS2 games (as that is part of the original plan for PSNow)?”

          Help me with this, if you can. A handful of HD remasters of PS2 games- in other words, the PS3 versions of the games- are on PS Now, and this is what you’re basing your argument off of? I looked through the whole list, and the ONLY PS2 games out of the few dozen I had that showed up were Shadow of the Colossus and Ico. Given the PS2 boasts the largest library of any console so far- last I saw, anyway- you’re essentially complaining about grains of sand on a beach.

          “In fact they have no problem charging you to use the BC service to play games at 720p max 30fps and less fidelity.”

          It’s not a BC service, never has been one, and Sony has made it clear that it was never intended to be one. Why you and others like you keep trying to force it to be one is beyond me.

          “The question is will they toss the service out and provide their next console with full BC (at least with PS4) or do they double down with PSNow as the only option for BC or do they move to PSNow to be more like Gamers Pass.”

          That’s not the question at all. Feel free to ask it, though, and be surprised when there’s no answer.

          “Either way PSNow will not survive if PSNow stays in it’s current form and definately not if the PS5 will have any type pf backward compatibility built-into the console.”

          You have no firm basis for this or anything else you’ve said. Next time you decide to reply to me, at least try to bring something concrete and verifiable.

          • Paul Josephson

            Source? Their actions is my source. They say one thing and plan/do another. More of a source than your crappy answer.

            “Then why wait so long to introduce the feature, and why have it be so limited? That doesn’t make sense.:

            I don’t know perhaps because they didn’t buy Galaki until late 2012 and it takes a while to integrate and build up the service to be released in the first place. Not like they are actually emulating PS3 as Microsoft is doing with their Xbox 360 BC. They have to have a warehouse of PS3s that are actually streaming the game to you. Takes a while to get that into action. Which by all accounts took a year and half from that Galaki purchase, PSNow was released Jan 2014.

          • J.j. Barrington

            “You can look at several things SIE/Sony has done to prove what they say is not what the mean in all this.”

            Such as?

            “I don’t know perhaps because they didn’t buy Galaki until late 2012 and it takes a while to integrate and build up the service to be released in the first place.”

            You’re right that it takes a while… but it still wouldn’t make sense to wait so long. And if BC was their focus, they wouldn’t have split the services of Gaikai to allow for remote play.

            “It is limited because they miscalculated and based everything expectations of the internet infrastructure being more capable and father ahead everywhere in the world then it is.”

            That’s full of crap. The only company that miscalculated that one is Microsoft. No one in any tech-based industry really thought it’d be far enough along for that. There’s nothing to indicate Sony thought differently.

            “Lots of reasons for it being limited.”

            And none of those reasons you listed sync up with what we know of Sony or their actions. It’s odd: you talked about how they said one thing and did another, but haven’t brought up one example of it.

            “So, yes that means it is a BC service first and foremost.”

            How can it be “first and foremost” when, first and foremost, it was on the same hardware? Furthermore, why waste resources on supporting other platforms if you only ever intended to support one? That doesn’t make sense for a company still turning itself around, does it?

            “By almost everyone who has experienced it.”

            Source?

            “I don’t know about you but for me and everyone I know rental usual means you are renting the original content or at least with streaming somewhat close to the original content.”

            It’s cute how you have to create definitions to suit your purpose.

            “So, yes PSNow not being used on low hardware powered devices anymore will make it an almost useless option if the PS5 can do BC.”

            You still seem to be under the impression that it’s something it’s not. Though, at this point, I should call it delusion, rather than impression.

            “Then it might have real value as servcice with all this possibility of the PS5 having BC.”

            You have no idea what you’re talking about. That’s been evident for some time. Well, that’s not exactly true. You have SOME idea, but not nearly enough. Which is why the rest is poorly-constructed speculation that ignored any bits of reality that contradict it.

          • Paul Josephson

            Fanboy is all you are look at you and your defenses here. You bringi nothing to the table but kiss ass talk. You can’t defend anything I say it is all put offs not rebuttal of thought but pure master and servant talk. If your master Sony barks oh obey. You present nothing but wish washy PR dribble. Not want point you said was countered with anything of substance. At least, I ran through my ideas why it works yours is just based on nothing.

          • J.j. Barrington

            You could at least spell right if you’re gonna insult somebody. “bringi” and “dribble” aren’t words… honestly, go back and rewrite this whole comment, and maybe I’ll give it a serious reply.

            Beyond that, you haven’t shown anything factual that really needed rebutting, so if this is the best you can do, you’re wasting my time.

          • Tokumei Yamada

            “It’s not a BC service… and Sony has made it clear…”

            I swear this is the last one, but… hahahahaahahaha! I especially love that your reason for saying it’s NOT BC is because Sony PR said it wasn’t. It’s a service to play last gen games, except you pay an arm and a leg to do so and it only works when you have really strong internet… So, yeah, it’s BC… Just limited BC for a limited audience with a rental service thrown in.

            I need to show this conversation to someone in the future who accuses me of drinking Sony Kool-Aid.

          • J.j. Barrington

            If it were BC, it wouldn’t have ever been available on the same hardware the games were on. It also would never have been available on hardware that isn’t at all related to PlayStation consoles.

            You fail.

          • Tokumei Yamada

            Its implementation is still as BC. It’s to replace the BC that was taken away from the PS4. I mean, the BC was left off, in no small part, due to the push for this streaming gaming service.

          • J.j. Barrington

            No, its implementation is NOT to replace BC. No matter how many times you try to say it is, it simply is not. There would be no need for the feature on anything but the PS4 if that were the case, but that obviously was not.

            You can choose to take it as such, but then the disappointment is all on you, not Sony. You may also want to take it up with fellow gamers if you’re upset that it wasn’t included, as it was their lack of usage that led to the feature being nixed in the first place.

      • Tokumei Yamada

        Ever hear of ulterior motives? Sony’s a global, multi-billion dollar corporation. They don’t always have the best marketing department, but they do know the basics, and lying about this to push PS Now or keep people buying new games and avoiding old ones (new including remakes and remasters and Trophy packs like FF7) is a very basic tactic.

        • J.j. Barrington

          PlayStation is full of classics. You note the success of Nintendo’s VC, which Nintendo didn’t have to lie about; why would Sony have to lie about PS Now?

          Why go through all the trouble of implementing the program on devices other than the PS4- including the PS3- if it was only going to be used as a faux-BC solution they could monetize?

          Why have such a limit on the number of games available? There are maybe 600 games on PS Now, including PS4 titles; the PS Store has 1600 PS3 games, which won’t be all of them. Even if 2/3 of the PS Now games are from the PS3, there’s still another 1400 to go… with a LOT of the biggest titles missing. How does that make sense, following your “logic?”

          By the way, you wouldn’t need a whole slew, would you? If you’ve got a BC PS3, then you just need that and a PS4. For all you know- and what seems most likely- the PS5 will have BC, since there won’t be any emotion engine chips or CELL processors to include to enable it. Then you just need a PS3 and a PS5.

          Of course, you’re free to think they’d go and do something ridiculous right after seeing how such thing worked out for their competitors. Even though there’s no sign of any such thing happening, choose to assume the worst possible outcome. Because that makes sense.

          • Tokumei Yamada

            They lie about why they don’t have disc-based BC because they’re trying to push PS Now. As the old games on Nintendo Systems are cartridge based, there would be nothing for Nintendo to lie about.

            Also, I don’t have a BC PS3 anymore. It broke quite a long time ago, replaced by a very-much-not-BC slim.

            They said no one plays the old games. That’s just plain wrong. It’s PR. They’re trying to talk up their current ventures.

          • J.j. Barrington

            They didn’t say no one plays the old games. They did say much requested but seldom used, though.

            Again, no need to lie when the service is/was even on the hardware it would be doing BC for.

            Give it a rest.

          • Tokumei Yamada

            “That guy you hate, because you know I’m right and can’t do anything about it.”

            Wow. You summed up your personality in one sentence, didn’t you? PR lies all the time. That’s 90% of their job.

          • J.j. Barrington

            Riiight. So they’ve implemented years of division-shifting, company-changing policy based on a PR lie?

            You don’t understand how stupid that sounds, or you wouldn’t suggest it.

          • Tokumei Yamada

            “So they’ve implemented years of division-shifting, company-changing policy based on a PR lie?”

            No, they’ve implemented a PR lie based on plans for division-shifting company-changing policy. Which only makes sense.

          • J.j. Barrington

            That makes NO sense.

            That would have required knowing, ahead of time, that the Cell-type technology used in the PS3 would not take off elsewhere, thus making the technology cheaper and more viable for further use. The Cell, after all, is capable in ways many modern processors still can’t match up to; it would “only make sense” to use it or an evolution of it in the next generation console.

            They obviously can’t see the future. So, obviously, what you suggest makes no sense.

          • Tokumei Yamada

            I didn’t mention the Cell. I was talking about PS Now. The Lie (no one uses BC) was in service of their plans (PS Now) and not once did I mention Cell. If you’re going to argue with me, argue with me. Don’t make up new things to argue with me about.

          • J.j. Barrington

            … you seriously don’t even understand why that was brought up, do you? It also appears you lack the critical thinking skills to make the connection.

            So think, for just a minute: what could the Cell have to do with BC?

  • angh

    BC is not anymore just an option, it will be necessity for next playstation. I do not plan on getting rid of my ps4, still have ps3, but i simply dont want to turn it on anymore even, if there are games I really would like to finish. Would be easier if I had just one device to do so. Thankfully there is way too many games on ps4 to finish for me, but with the next gen a solid BC will ensure that initial small lineup will be still backed up by titles from previous gen. (maybe even a BC to ps3? would love that)

  • ORION

    it’s for the PS4 Pro boost mode

  • ORION

    it’s for the PS4 Pro boost mode

  • ORION

    it’s for the PS4 Pro boost mode

  • Sin Cara

    The only way it won’t play Ps4 games is if Sony blocks it from doing so. All major consoles going forward are going to be x86 based so there is no reason whatsoever that they won’t be except for pure greed.

  • Manute

    Not if it’s XB1’s backwards compatibility, games no one wants to play.

    • KashIsKlay

      Wrong, you’re a troll.

  • Playstation Novus

    Haha I will be waiting for that delusional reveal at E3 that you nitwits are hoping for won’t happen hahaha

  • KashIsKlay

    BC is always a useful feature and people who argued against it are idiots. This is one of the main things I wish the Ps4 was able to do is play ps3 games.

    • J.j. Barrington

      People only argued against its importance late in the generation. Nobody who isn’t a troll said it wasn’t useful.

      Then again, nobody who wasn’t an Xbox fanboy made a huge deal about it, either.

    • boblaaaam

      i do think the playstation 5 will be backwards compatible, having the playstation 5 be backwards compatible with the playstation 4 would be useful and awesome for current owners of the playstation 4 because you get to bring playstation 4 games to the playstation 5 user interface and ecosystem and new buyers too and also it would help playstation plus, for example battlefield 4, bloodborne and ratchet and clank could be playstation plus titles for the playstation 5 and all of the other playstation 4 games, but they can not be if the playstation 5 is not backwards compatible unless the game is remastered or reworked to run on the playstation 5

      yes i know bloodborne and ratchet and clank are on playstation plus this month, i have never played ratchet and clank ever but i have played bloodborne and that game is amazing and i have never played anything like it before when i played it, the same with the last of us when i first played it

      • KashIsKlay

        My point is people who made the argument against BC because it wasn’t available on a platform they held dear. Gamers have always benefitted from bc. I’m happy that I’ll have this on my ps5

        • J.j. Barrington

          Nobody made the argument against BC.

  • Anonymous

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    • Zaur

      Ok, that was very convincing mate.

  • PachterStation

    Somehow, I don’t think the PS5 will be much of a step up. 4K is 4K, the PS5 will probably be a 4K console. A new VR headset? Probably. PS4 VR is Sony’s way of testing the water. Lack of quality games and blurry graphics, Sony knew enough people would pay into it. With PS5, it’ll leapfrog the Xbox One X obviously and their new VR headset will be finally polished. Add some other bells and whistles, 4K gaming won’t be a rush job as with the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. And you know what’ll happen after the PS5 is launched? Microsoft will hit back with a more powerful Xbox Two.

    • TheObserver

      “Somehow, I don’t think the PS5 will be much of a step up, as 4K is 4K”
      Makes no sense, sorry.
      PS5 will be a big step up in processing power.

    • Beasley2K

      The Pro and One X were essentially companies testing the water with 4K. The next generation will be true 4K machines, probably using the technology to the fullest. We’re arguably reaching a plateau in terms of graphics, but that doesn’t mean software won’t still benefit from much more powerful hardware.

      Also, in no way will the Xbox Two be more powerful than the PS5. PlayStation has always dominated Xbox in terms of power, only just being overtaken by the Xbox One X, a mid-generation upgrade that Microsoft had to release to try to catch up.

      The PS5 will be leaps ahead, and if Microsoft release another upgraded console halfway through, Sony probably will too.

  • David Brown

    I’m failing to see how this isn’t for the PS2 games on the PS4. They’re in a “shell” to add trophies… but they’re being Emulated to run on the system. Timings are changed as framerates are moved up to 60 FPS in many cases.

    In fact, when it was recently hacked… the hackers realized they can slide any PS2 game into the shells and it’ll emulate them. I think this is completely unrelated to the PS5…

    PS5 will probably be backwards compatible with the PS4’s architecture though.

  • Vulcanproject

    The current home consoles are fundamentally the same architecture as a poor man’s PC these days. No particularly bizarre hardware in them unlike many consoles of the past. x86 CPU, mainstream graphics design, DDR memory.

    It will be a piece of cake to emulate them on later machines if they are built on the same basic arch. Which they will be. It’ll just be like running a 5 year old PC game on the brand new PC you built. It’ll just work and be faster without much fiddling behind the scenes.

  • Soda Popinski

    From a marketing standpoint, it would be very smart of Sony to make PS5 B.C. with PS4 for two reasons.

    1). It would be a tremendous “well returned volley” for the flack Sony gets from PS4 not playing PS3 games, ESPEICALLY after Microsoft announced their XB1 B.C. program for X360 games.

    2). With this console generation having 2 primary mid gen hardware upgrade options (both being current gen/older system B.C. ofcourse), why WOULDN’T it make sense to have your next console hardware upgrade (that being a full next generation PS5), also be B.C. so that you help increase the people with existing game libraries building, to give them a HUGE incentive to be able to KEEP those same platform (PS4) library of games growing, while ALSO being hardware upgraded to be able to play brand new next gen games exclusive to PS5.

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  • YOUDIEMOFO

    All I have to say is that…… “It better!!.!.!”.

    Shoot these systems are barely five years old at the current moment….that is if you do not consider their refreshes that have been released.

  • on one hand, there would be a insane uprear from gamers were the PlayStation 5 not to have backwards compatibility on the other hand they risk losing revenue from PlayStation Now through digital downloads of games from previous PlayStation consoles

  • Thomas Chandler

    Yes! you should be able to play your PS4 games on the New PS5. each time a new Console come out you have to up grade to new games. that can run into big money costt. on the PS2 I have over 150 Games I can no longer I can use unless buy a PS2 Console. My PS3 I have at least 75 games in the next couple of weeks I will be Purchasing the PS4 and none of these games or not compatible. only for the console the were design for to work with…..